It's also not accurate regarding the birth year of Jesus."don't hide behind the internet you coward"So I can only assume that "last day" is your real name thenFor someone who called the author of this article "pure evil" your insults and threats of fire don't exactly paint you in a positive light. Because the walls of the trap are invisible they cannot escape because they do not see the walls of the trap and they think themselves to be free. My family and I are completely shunned by Christadelphian communities. Christadelphians believe in and defend their religion because of faulty cognitive bias. I don't understand these feelings, and I don't understand the sense of grief and betrayal I feel for having left the community. One Christian sect "Hookers for Jesus" recognizes the power of this basic human instinct and uses sex as the primary method of conversion. That is all a mad fantasy. Your life is not meaningless if you fail to follow certain religious teachings. It is very wrong to treat people outside of the body of Christadelphians as 'outsiders' and those doing so will find themselves wanting in the eyes of the Lord. This is an important discussion and you should create an entry on the Rick Ross Institute (Cult Information) website, directing people to it. That is what happened to me. Ever thought about that? But there is a point in saving atheists from their non-faith if there truly is an eternity waiting for you. "John, this is bizarrely short-sighted.

No one invested any real time in them. Their cognitive biases take over and their thinking on religion becomes shallow and simplistic. Only when an outsider cried out that the emperor was naked did the illusion vanish and the individual members of the group realise that they had been foolish. Christadelphians are most certainly not "a vicious bunch of human beings". John.I have had a really strange relationship and fathered a child with a Christadelphian girl. Only recently have I found my faith in the lord, after spending time away you realise how much of a difference faith makes to your life. ex christadelphian christadelphians heritage college wealthy invited donors I'm not over it and I will likely go to my grave without being over it. All the other believers in religions are similarly deceived. All people in all times past have had gods and goddesses that they believed in and trusted. Christadelphians should never claim to be the only ones who have 'got it right'. I hope you turn back from the path you have chosen, because Christ is coming, and you will need to justify yourself to him on that day.That's what the faithful said one thousand nine hundred and some odd years ago too. You only have to observe the Christadelphian "conversions" in Eastern Europe and Russia etc to see this happening. We won`t know our me`s from our me`s or our anon`s from our anon`s. Unfortunately, Maureen, people don't realize that they have been indoctrinated or "brainwashed" and believe it can't happen to them.If you've ever tried to convert a devout Catholic to Christadelphianism, then you should realize how wrong that assumption is.How long has it been since you questioned anything you've believed? May the Fates bless you in this effort to free these people from their blindness. It has worked out that way because a minor Nineteenth Century American revivalist sect has survived into the Twenty First Century by being handed down through families that have shut their minds to the realities of what is going on in the outside world. Just like you thought independently and left, other people choose to think independently and stay. they are not secretly cursing everyone around them. However, your assertions concerning God are without evidence as are assertions to the contrary. You know from your own experience and I know from mine that Christadelphian preaching is a thankless task. Christadelphians stay in their religion because the faith acts as a network of social involvement and support. I'm a real smart guy who has achieved a great deal. I have seen this happen on several occasions during my time in the Christadelphians. I was lucky to escape. #1, Christadelphianism is a religion very much shut out from the true reality of the world (by choice), choosing what to accept and what to be sheltered from, the only other place (im not very familiar with the going on around the world) I can find other such similarities is in that of modern day north korea, and in germany during the holocaust, I believe a lot of what is peddled within the CD's was purely "propoganda" which has no only done more harm than good in my life but set me up for an unrealistic expection of life. In the end it won't matter. They join the faith because they desire social acceptance and fraternity. It is also extremely important to acknowledge that they've messed with your head: after I uttered my first criticisms of their "Truth" several years ago, I was haunted by a terrible paranoia God would punish me by taking the lives of my children. Do you always seek to resolve differences via the use of violence?Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are evil. Isn't one of the core teachings of Christadelphia that the truth is for Gentiles, everyone who isn't Jewish? I once belonged to a particularly delusional CD group that believed Christ had already returned to Earth and had again assumed the form of a human. That's why I am so ashamed of my years in the religion. After you've been in a while, the love very often disappears, because you're brain stumphed enough to a point where you won't leave, even if you don't feel particularly "loved." And part of that "meaning" can surely be to free other human beings from the destructive delusions imparted to them by nutty religious groups. If person "A" is correct then person "B" is dead in the end, but person "A" goes on to something better in the resurrection. Some of these are Unamended Branch meetings, others are Amended Branch meetings. God took a long time, and eventually I got banned from my middle school.I was later expelled from the church in question because I married outside of the faith.

I have recently, within the last two years been baptised. I am very late in discovering this site. To do so bestows an evolutionary advantage and that is why this behaviour is born and bred into us all.

Except you have already seen it. But I re-examined my beliefs rigorously a believer will claim.

If you have the nerve to undertake that journey you will free your mind from Christadelphian captivity and, like us, you will pity the poor souls who remain, waiting for a Kingdom that throughout the ages of eternity - is never going to happen. Many are called, but few are chosen, is one of my favorite verses. About belief in what the Bible has to say. But they are not free. There is no shame inherent in being sucked into or born into a life-sucking cult. The CD indoctrination is evidently still within you and will stay there. Christadelphians ARE clever, but they behave like idiots when it comes to their faith. Love and blessings to you all, Julia. "Is it God's purpose in the "Latter Days" to confer salvation only on the descendents of a tiny number of families primarily in the Anglo-Saxon English speaking area of the world? Person B has no faith, does not believe God exists, all hope and life end at the point of death. You know this is time of the end, many shall not endure sound teaching 2 Timothy 4:3-5. The mind has been tricked into believing something because of a greater payoff. I feel very sorry that all of you only encountered Christadelphians who were clearly not behaving as God commands and yes, we have encountered such folk. There doesn't seem much hope in the knowledge that Jesus Christ did it all for us. That is not true.

It is not just the Christadelphians, all childhood religious imprinting works the same way. You're wrong corky. Please do not comment as 'Anonymous'. That's why we at Ex-Christadelphians work to support people coming out of the religion, to ease their return to normal behaviour in society. Linda and I would put a profile but don't quite know how. To the best my knowledge the Faith has been a source of joy And hope to me as long as they propagate the faith/doctrine of the early apostles as found in the Bible. This scenario almost never happens, and, once people have fled, they almost always stay gone. But, challenge the faith of any of these people and you will be surprised at the vigour with which they defend their position. Truth is, we know so very little.

If "B" is correct then both "A" and "B" are dead for ever when their lives end. I like these debates. You're clearly not yet free from whatever trap you felt you were in.I know some CDs - one or two of them show *some* of the traits you mention - as do a proportion of the population irrespective of religious status. Who is the bully and self righteous? Sounds very much like some of the ones I worshipped with. for behold, THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU.I wonder what that meansyou look in the mirrorChristianity/Christadelphianism/Religion is a living, walking, talking contradiction.The myhical "SUN" of God Jesus scorned religion, but you ignore that part or claim he wasn't talking about your religionrubish.So while you all wait for the "SUN" of God to "come in the clouds" and murder everyone who doesn't believe what you do, I will live my life free from guilt and fear because i can read.Meditate on that for a minute, oh, and put the bible down, ask yourself some questions and do some research on what it is you have been told and think you know.Fed Up. Ha! Hi Matthew,How can you not judge Christadelphia by what Christadelphia (the members) do? 2. They just live inside a safe christadelphian bubble, where all their friends are CDs, all they talk about is the CDs and no-one ever questions anything at all.I have the occasional attempt to "save me" by some well meaning but totally misguided CD at family gatherings, but these are easily defused simply by pointing out a few facts and home truths.Best wishes. but from what i have found they are the nicest people i know. But as it is a world-wide, faith-wide phenomenon it is quite obvious that the desire for sex and romance preceded their declaration of "faith" in the new religion, or in Christadelphianism. Is it God's purpose in the "Latter Days" to confer salvation only on the descendents of a tiny number of families primarily in the Anglo-Saxon English speaking area of the world?

You're wrong in your statement.

Between that and the doctrinal confusion, I ended up fleeing from the congregation. John, You said that Christadelphians are "simple folk" a nice word for uneducated idiots. Neither one is benefitted by anything said or done in their life. They are all convinced that they have thought it out for themselves and that everyone else in all of the other religions is wrong.

If Iran drops a few nuclear weapons onto Israel, or if the Israelis make a genuine peace with the Palestinians, faith will crash into reality for the Christadelphians and the bottom will drop out of the religion. Did you know that the prophecies in Daniel about the coming kingdoms were so accurate that for a while historians tried to prove it was written 300 years after it actually was? "Give me a child until he is five and I will give you a Catholic for life" is the Jesuit pledge. The rest of them are so different to what you describe that your article makes me wonder whether there's something Christadelphia/Christadelphians that's worth looking into, as it clearly generates an intriguing debate!I hope you find peace in your life to move on. They were instead focused on showering potential converts with attention. I hope you turn back from the path you have chosen, because Christ is coming, and you will need to justify yourself to him on that day. But not everyone. ?Luke 17:21 Neiher shall they say, Lo here! It was a church run on fear and intimidation, and some of the children in the church lived in terror of the gentleman;I know, because I was once one of them. Maybe some day those who couldn't accept it will. I believe that the real principles should be to Love the Lord God and his son Jesus Christ, love your neighbours, repent and be baptised and try to live your lives according to the advice given by the Lord Jesus Christ and his deciples. "Results may vary." Christadelphia should not be judged by its members but by what scripture says.The Bible is full of evidence and it is only by regular prayerful reading that this evidence will become apparent to you.. To the Christadelphian who left, if you believe then don't go away but try to shape your ecclesia to show the Love of Christ. Your road to discovering truth must commence by walking down a path that is called disbelief. I came upon this site quite by accident, and the post from Anonymous, above, could have been written by me! Listen to what some of the above people are saying, you make yourself look like a qauck. Parents engaging in child abuse, because they felt the Bible's contents allowed for it. One of the people that I "converted" joined for that reason. God does exist. An individual who thought that he could gain eternal life, murder unbelievers and help rule the world for a thousand years would be diagnosed as being seriously paranoid and prescribed sedating medication; they might even be restrained under a mental health order. We all need our outlets, and the internet is a free forum for expression. I have a family and a profession, but feel completely lost in the world. It`s not quite as straightforward as you might think.Scratch the surface and you might find out.Hope we don`t get too many "Me`s", it will be like too many Anons. Then perhaps you can make a more reasoned argument against the Christadelphian movement, which I would applaud. The crowd saw nothing wrong with the spectacle and were held in a collective delusion with each member of the crowd reinforcing the mistaken belief of the others. I have read the posts left by ex-Christadelphians with utter disbelief. ?..both can be absurd there is no proof of intervention.. what is your answer to the failed predictions you know very well over the years you have got it horribly wrong "its right now" ;now" 'its at the very doors"'at any minute now" you have got it wrong many times over you have to admit that.. Paul,That`s just Joe`s point, as you say. We are just human and make the same mistakes. The payoff is a partner, not life after death. The religion is actually a nonsense, but to the infant mind it all makes perfect sense to believe what they are taught by their parents. "that I was such an ass to have championed the Christadelphian cause. Just for the record, the current year is 1439 AH (Anno Hegirae) when following the Islamic calendar. You look at all the other "normal" people in the group who believe what you believe and it reassures your mind that your beliefs are socially accepted because everyone else in the group thinks the same way. Anonymous of 16th Jan.6pm:You`re welcome here, but no need for gratuitous rudeness in addressing your posting fellows.And as for making you "want to join them" (the Christadelphians), would they have you?John, wasn`t the God of the Old Testament just mythically evil? They will claim that they hold their conviction because of the authority of the Papacy, or that they object to the authority of the papacy, or the prophet was inspired by Allah, or that Dr Thomas rediscovered the Truth. I meant "unattached" where I wrote "attached". my final note on this is, I found more love outside "the truth" than i ever did within, I found better family (words can't describe how greatful I am for the family i found) they are also two very happy grandparents to my beautiful daughter and I found all of this in "wordly sinners" not in the ecclesia. I hope that you turn to your Bible and to your God again because that will be your only salvation. It has happened to huge numbers of people. His behavior was exactly the opposite of the behavior scripture asks us to follow, but no one in the church ever stood up to him or yanked on his reins. ex christadelphians mirror way feel So why has it worked out that way for the Christadelphians? (Ex-Christadelphian since 1972)Let me correct your assumption about Atheism, Anonymous of June 25, so it can become more clear.Atheism is NOT a religion, any more than Non-stamp Collecting is a hobby.Atheism is (instead) a rational rejection of superstition.My only remaining relative in 'that faith' is my youngest brother who quite lately suffered a nervous breakdown (partly due to factors such as medical causes, solitary homelife, and hereditary factors) and who's been "re-claimed" by a Brother/Sister team in their seventies. The Internet provides a very effective method of providing support and encouragement to leavers and you can be assured of tremendous help from us if you have the courage to cleanse your mind from the poison of distorted Christadelphian thinking. It's a definite prime example of hypocrisy and insecurity amongst those who take it so personally they want to pity you. And if Jesus' teachings had been true, surely he would have returned within the lifetime of his disciples (as expected) and established a new calendar? Catholics beget more Catholics, Protestants beget more Protestants, Muslims beget more Muslims and Christadelphians beget more Christadelphians. Not so.and to Ekim, or whatever his name is.your's is the comment that enraged me the most and if that's the example I'm supposed to follow to be a good example to God, that's not a God or "family" I want anything to do with. Thousands of Ex-Christadelphians have successfully escaped from the sect and established successful and satisfying lives in the normal world outside the religion. You dont need to be a CD to follow God. Those are men's words, not inspired by God. To some extent, many of the pro-Christadelphian comments herein reflect the same mindset I experienced. I know all my CD relatives feel sorry for me, but they are the delusioned ones to feel sorry for. I just find it extraordinary that otherwise intelligent and level-headed people should allow themselves to be fooled on a daily basis and live their lives constrained by a 2000 year old storybook and an imaginary friend who lives in the sky. And 5778 in the Hebrew calendar. But converts rising from the waters of baptism with hands held out for welfare makes a mockery of the faith. Bribery is NOT conversion. That was the only good that came of the whole thing. The fact that all the different religions claim that they hold the exclusive truth and that everyone else is mistaken is powerful evidence that they are all mistaken. Accepted only by faith. Childhood conditioning has "hooked" them and they are unable to escape from the family religion. People are born into the religion, or they marry into it, or they join in the expectation of reward, or they are lonely and desire social support. I am old, in my thirties, and lived my life in the world before realising my mistake. I feel vindicated, heh heh. I see Putin is pulling the troops tonight . she is another fizzer many of you are criticising christadelphians as though they are horrible evil people, that hate everyone who is not apart of the religion. But when I was a Christadelphian, confirmation bias ran riot in my brain and I acted like an idiot. Did "his" comments cause your subconscious to ping a little? That's why we study the natural basis of Christadelphian behaviour, to seek to understand how this religion blights people's lives and how its victims can be helped.Because Christadelphians are not brethren and sisters of Christ. What a load of Caca. The whole point of the CD religion was not to put your faith in man i.e a priest, pope etc. christadelphians ex website google fifth results christadelphian They are victims of a dysfunctional sect.Cult and sect members can NEVER see it when they are members. Let GO and move on! Faith has no inherent value for it to be rewarded by an invisible entity in the sky. Hello ME (that`s "me" of September 8th), Yes, you are correct, there has been over criticism of Cd`s in this blog. Because i have seen the world, and what it has to offer. I am not smarter than them because I left; I was just extremely fortunate that things worked out for me the way that they did. I was 5th generation Christadelphian and had the additional responsibility of being a direct descendant of the esteemed Robert Roberts , and when I eventually was able to extricate myself and discover who my Saviour was, 18 years ago, my mother, who sadly died a month ago, told me I had discarded my first love.the Christadelphiansand all our family fought which I replied, I have just found Him. But the reality is that the churn of people switching between, or abandoning belief systems is very small. How can we get these things into the hands of Christadephians? Christadelphians do not claim to be spiritual beings only HUMAN beings and as such they behave like human beings. It's a bit like the story of the emperor who rode through the streets naked. As their minds mature the imprint of that conditioning becomes stronger, not weaker. The Gospel means GOOD NEWS.

Both statements cannot be shown to be in any way anything to do with God. This religion is a mind control,the preaching members pound the"CD truth"continously to their folk,relentless bible sessions,people can not think for themselves,many sessions regarding"end of time"kingdom on earth,worldly events as they happen,quickly tied to the bible,Russian's say something about the middle east,invasion of Syria is immenant a cry comes out,look back at the history of CD's they have been doing this since 1860's,you guys are obcessed,no one can predict the future,it is a guessing game for you,I can not believe you are so gullible,we know"because we read the bible" yeah right,so many failed predictions and goes on and on Hi Jules,Thanks for your comments regarding my experiences growing up in a CD family. Don't you think your being a big whiny cry baby? They just keep patiently waiting for a return of Christ that will never happen. and well put in my opinion. This is very important. John, You left the Christadelphians 28 years ago. Tell any Catholic, Protestant, Muslim or Christadelphian that the primary reason that they maintain their affiliation is because of childhood conditioning and they will reply that you are mistaken. I don't regret my decision because of people like you, and I don't feel like you deserve to hear my story or conclusions-- casting pearls before swine indeed.Kristina Woodland (formerly Kemp)-- Washington D.C. Hi, I come from a Christadelphian family and had the usual indoctrination and normalisation applied to me. As part of that community I recognise that Christadelphians are as flawed as any one else. It is more rewarding, because you will have actually LIVED your life, not spent it hiding under a rock comprised by superstition and mysticism.

You will be dead and forgotten and Christ will still not return because the one they called Christ, Jesus, died on a Roman cross and he's not returning - ever. The eccentrics, oddballs, mental patients, widows, and cripples were social untouchables, just like in the larger society. Powered by. Eventually, when I was about 14, my parents accepted that I had no interest in the CD's and I never went to another meeting again.Recently, my sisters son was baptised into the faith at the tender age of 17. John Bedson uses the term 'lunatic cult' and I would say that it takes one to know one because your terminology John smacks of lunacy. What an interesting read! He thought that would gain him supernatural rewards and protections, but it didn't. His return is sure Luke 21:26-28, Absolutely NO ONE is coming, and to invest yourself in a religion, to expend one's precious life in its miserable confines -- and then to concede to others that you have been taught that you "probably" won't achieve "eternal life" anyway, is.quite frankly.PATHETIC.
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